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Journal Entry: Sat Nov 10, 2012, 2:13 AM


I'm home after a long day of driving, going out for dinner, and catching up on a little comic. It'll be posted soon.

Okay, so CyberPrisoner posted a journal a while ago claiming that she caught the lemon reporter, ev0net. He/she has been suspended for "false" reporting.

First of all, ev0net was NOT the one reporting the lemons. He/she was reporting deviations that had copyright material or stolen artwork. Quite a few reader-inserts have that, and that is a violation of dA policies just as much as having pornographic literature. If the reader inserts or lemons had a stolen picture, THAT'S what he/she reported on--NOT the lemon content. I see where that reporter was coming from. I wouldn't be happy seeing pictures that made the front page simply because he/she used someone's work without permission.

In addition, that person has been reporting stolen artwork for several months--maybe even years--way before this issue started. I don't know where people got the idea that ev0net was the culprit, but the real reporter is still out there--probably laughing his/her ass off while the rest of this community either believes that this thing has been resolved or still have a bone to pick with dA.

Posting pornographic literature was forbidden from the start. Even when I posted my first lemon, I knew that. I did it anyway. I knew it could have been taken down, but I felt that it didn't matter since the lemon wasn't significant to the main plot. All of you writers out there claiming that it was wrong for lemons to be not posted up but nudity can run around freely should know that pornographic content has specific rules. Look, it's posted as clear as day if you know where to look.

This is considered to be porn in visual form: help.deviantart.com/565/

And this is considered to be porn in literature form: help.deviantart.com/251/

It doesn't make any sense as to why everyone should be upset. They should know that they were violating dA rules--just like they should know that every time they use a picture that isn't there's, it's considered stealing unless they specifically got permission from the artist him/herself.

This is all becoming too much. If you guys are that desperate to read lemons, post them somewhere else. They aren't allowed in dA and they never were to begin with.

Whatever the true reporter hoped to accomplish, it's become that and more. It's getting too chaotic. I implore you to just drop the whole thing. It isn't even worth your time. From now on, why don't you read the rules before submitting? Why don't you try to ask the artist of a beautiful piece of art for permission to use it for your fan-fiction before deciding to steal it? Seriously, just because you credit someone doesn't mean you got permission to use the work. And how many of you who use pictures actually credit the actual artist? How many of you link your picture back to the original site you ripped it off of? I've seen many reader inserts use preview pictures that weren't their's so it's no surprise if some people on this fan base got reported not because of pornographic content, but because of using pictures without permission. If you go through the actual act of getting permission from the artist via dA policies, it's a pain in the rear, and I don't think anyone here has bothered to go through with it.  

If anyone really wants to properly get permission from the artists they used their works from, this is how you do it: help.deviantart.com/193/

I truly hope everyone will open their eyes and realize that there are rules on websites just like there are in just about any aspect of society. Please do not jump the gun and always feel that the way you believe is the right way. Sure, as we say here in the United States, "freedom of speech," but that doesn't mean you can yell "fire" in a theater.

As of this point, since I believe the reporter has no right to bug those who have properly abided by dA rules (at least I hope that's the case), I'm just going to shy away from this whole incident. My lemons may have been removed, but that doesn't mean I didn't save them. I've lost too much precious time I could have been investing towards contest entries, commissions, and reader inserts. I would hope that you all wouldn't waste your time like this anymore, too.

Good day/night.

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kiddopolis Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
I also reported Ev0net and had him temporarily suspended, but not for reporting things.
No, the reason I reported him was because he was cussing and abusing members. That's all.
Honestly, he was doing the right thing reporting all those deviations. I mean, it annoys me that so many people think it's right to post all this crap. It makes it worse when they hit the front page too. :/
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m00nlight101 Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
And God said "So let it be!"
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Hetaliafan3582 Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
I completely agree with you, but what bothers me about deviantart is that there is pornographic imagery on here and it's popular. Thousands upon thousands have seen it, for example, excuse my language, vulgar tastless art, such as a smacked ass or some plastic girl in a bra are every where. Or the risque, big breasted comic style girls who show up on the front page. It content doesn't bother me, it's that despite deviantart rules, they don't get removed. I've dealt with deviantart's hypocrisy time and time again...

Say the matter of TRACED BASES on deviantart. The "artists" say in their description, I've been reported before, nothing has happened to me and go on with their happy, stealing lives. They often use professional imagery or popular fan art with only a link to the original picture, usually on zerochan or photobucket. (don't even get me started on those)

I'll stop before this gets worse, sorry for the mini rant.
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Dezi-Wezi-Bezi Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Exactly what's been going through my mind the past few days! Everybody's extremely upset because their lemons are being reported, yet they fail to realize it actually is against the ToS. Then they talk about how flat out pornographic images make it to the front page sometimes. It's not fair, but of course DA can't run everything perfectly 24/7. Plus all these journals regarding this issue are taking up too much of my inbox. WAY too much. I just counted about 21 of said journals in my inbox. And that's just from one group. I'd hate to see how many I'd get if I watched any other Hetalia-related groups.
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rainbownicole4444 Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Student General Artist
Bless this post.
This is exactly what I've been waiting for someone to say!

Thank you so much for writing and posting this.
I'm sick of all these angry, idiotic posts, and I'd like to hope this ends it all.
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xTheXMonsterXWithinx Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I would have said something about it to, but it wouldn't have been worded kindly like yours. :/

Now, lemons were allowed on DA to begin with. And my question is what is making someone people think that their allowed on sites like FanFiction.net? >I It's against the rules there too.
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Professionalism is close to credibility, at least, that's what I was taught in my English classes.

Actually, I haven't seen anyone claim that posting their lemons on FanFiction.net was an alternative. If anything, they know that FanFiction.net has even stricter policies.
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xTheXMonsterXWithinx Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It's true~

It really wouldn't surprise me to see lemons on FanFiction.net in the following hours and/or days, really.

Also, it really pisses me off that someone took the fall for something that they didn't do, and then people try to argue that it was them. (Note: I'm saying that you are, it's clearly stated in the journal that it wasn't him/her.)
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xTheXMonsterXWithinx Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
*I'm not saying that you are,

Oppsie-whoopsie.
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sonicluver101 Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hopefully this can all just pass by. ^^; I'm glad you're going to push past it, though, and that you still have the lemons you wrote saved so that you can perhaps direct them to another site ^_^

And by the way, thank you for posting that credit thing o 3o
I don't think I ever use preview pictures made by someone else (I'm usually too shy to ask, so i don't even bother xD), but I guess if a friend made a picture that i could use, I can prove that i asked for permission o v o
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x--KCK--x Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Ehh, I wasn't really upset about lemons being reported because I was already aware of the rules. Hell, I don't even like lemons all that much. I just don't like double-standards. :shrug: But I'm glad to hear that you've accepted what happened, and, hopefully, everybody can just stop complaining about it and move on.
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Ink--Rainbow Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Hmm... wow didn't expect this to be such a problem. What is it with pornographic literature? i mean, it has always existed and its also art. And as i read in previous comments, why now? when i was younger i used to log in deviantart without an account and just browse. But that was....whoo~ and if people like to write lemons or i don't know, why doesn't deviantart allow at least one group? maybe lemons is just what the artist does best and just apply a restriction for the youngsters?? I'm just thinking loudly here... just i feel its a bit unfair.
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NanamiOfFallingSnow Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
I feel like a total noob now (only been here for a few months so I guess I am), I was supporting the upset side because I thought there was one of those filter/warnings for lemons and that they were allowed.
I do feel a little bad that they can't post their work here but at the same time it's against the rules so I don't really feel that bad about it because that means everyone knows that they aren't supposed to be posting them anyways.
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SeeUtheVocaloid Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Student General Artist
I do not like Lemons (NOT THE CULPRIT HERE! I AM ONLY 13 THAT'S WHY I STEER CLEAR AFTER I REALIZED WHAT THEY WERE! I FEEL HORRIBLE FOR THE AUTHORS!) but I bad for the artist and the innocent people who are getting blamed.
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Waterlily18 Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
No offense to you but I REALLY hope yours is the last deviation made about this "lemon crisis". I didn't really expect to see 20 dramatic journal entires in my deviantwatch complaining over reported lemons; it was quite headache inducing.

But at least this one has some sense of closure that tells people to move on and I commend you for that.

My sympathies are out to those who had their work deleted, but I don't think the hetalia fandom realizes that it has been getting away with writing lemons for a long time here on DA and has simply forgot that they are against DA rules.

Overall I've been very embarrassed by the immaturity that some hetalia fans have demonstrated by being so quick to assume that it was this person based on a rumor, and then getting them suspended for doing the right thing by reporting illegal deviations. A lot of them left very rude comments, death threats and insults to the "culprit" reporting deviations technically not even allowed on DA in the first place; something that was the author's fault for not contending with DA rules before submitting. It seems those fans did a really good job of representing the fandom to this stranger with their insults and immaturity. :unimpressed:
I hope they're proud of their actions, because I'm not.
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I understand where you are coming from. I am guilty of posting lemons, too, but they were removed. I was well aware of the knowledge that my submissions could have been reported and taken down, and I won't be doing it again. Others, on the other hand, can't seem to accept the fact that posting lemons was forbidden from the very beginning and are blaming an honest deviant for removing their stories.

I'm surprised that users would openly threaten others around. It's not supposed to be allowed. In fact, that's supposed to get them suspended. I wouldn't be surprised if the suspended user is going to start attacking lemons now because of this.
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ultimateanime12 Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Good grief. Now their account is suspended. This is stupid. When I went on his account before it got suspended I read some of the comments on his profile, he only targeted those with preview pictures that weren't theirs. Poor guy.

And this will still be going on......
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kalliat Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
This has been my point exactly.
I spoke to ev0net about it and they got quite upset because everyone thought they were the culprit.

I think it's entirely unfair that they were banned for following the dA rules DX
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I feel the same. That user was simply abiding by the rules. None of the people who were bashing that person even had solid proof.
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kalliat Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Exactly!

I just replied to the person who posted the journal with the happy dance, and they were trying to defend themself to me.

I believe it was something like, 'these people worked hard on their stories.'
And then I was like, 'well, the stories were reported for copyrighted images so I don't imagine they worked that hard.'

No Im kidding but I did point it out that ev0net reported the stories for copyright.
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Ha. Well, believe it or not, some of the bad reader inserts that have stolen preview pictures get way more views that the good literature. I wouldn't mind seeing some of the art thieves getting reported for stolen pictures. I don't know why it's so hard for people to realize that ~ev0net wasn't after lemons.
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kalliat Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I know!

I was just reading MORE of those journals and going all lawyer on their asses.

Poor ev0 deserves to be defended. Anyway, one comment was this- word. For. Word.

"We'll kill that motherfucker in his sleep! How dare he delete lemons?! I love them and he's breaking rules!"

Me (in my head): WTF you idiot?! NO. ev0net hasn't broken a single rule. And now? Suspended. =_="
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
You do realize that threats like that are supposed to be reported, right? What the heck? The guy was reported for "false reports" when he/she was making legit reports. If anything, the one who reported him/her is the false reporter. The ones who send death threats are supposed to be reported, too.
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kalliat Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Mum, there were three or four comments like that =_="

It's really disgusting me how the fans have reacted.
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BackOffEdsMine Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
the only question that i have about all of this is if the site never allowed lemons to be on here, then why did they let the writers do it anyway, why are there lemon groups on here, and why is it such a big issue NOW? If it was an issue before this whole thing, why is it only now coming to light and if the site never wanted/allowed lemons in the first place, then why do they allow lemon groups like Lemontalia?
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I suppose no one ever bothered to look here because no one was a big enough douche bag to report them. I still think it has something to do with ~Lyrical-Maisie's contest. There are way too many flags going up. I mean, don't you think that if the mods wandered into our group's site that the entire group would be banned? It would have had to be someone on the inside.
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BackOffEdsMine Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes, but this still doesn't make sense. I mean, you have to get permission to even get the group accepted, right? So, they would HAVE to know that the group existed, right? If they knew it existed and still hadn't banned the group, then why is this whole situation coming to light? Why now, after the group had been up for a while. You'd think that if the site didn't like the group, the group would've been banned long before this and all lemons would've been taken down long before this whole fiasco.
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Wait. Do you know where the start of this paranoia came from? Did you read these? These were the first journal posts that were posted regarding this whole incident.

[link] and [link]

They might explain some things.
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BackOffEdsMine Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I've read the second link before so it's not that I don't know what's going on, but my point is that if dA had a problem with you or anyone else about writing lemons and "violating dA rules" before this entire fiasco, then why didn't they take it down before all of this was such a big issue? If they saw and knew you had written a lemon, they would've taken it down months before this contest had even started, or hell, before anyone could've even thought about posting a lemon and, to go back even further, they could've just said in general "You're not allowed to make up a club about lemon stories or any porno lit at all". That's like saying they wanted to take down my anthro leafeon picture that I had made months ago for a (guy) buddy of mine and NOW they tell me to take it down. It's like, "If you didn't like it at all, why even let me put it up in the first place and why wait until months after I post it up to take it down?"
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FearlessLullaby Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Because dA admins rarely go around patrolling the site. They rely on people's reports.
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BackOffEdsMine Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ok, so is that also the reason why lemon groups, like Lemontalia for instance, isn't being forced to disband or forced to take down all of their lemon stories?
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FearlessLullaby Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Most likely.
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
What's your point?
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BackOffEdsMine Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
My point is trying to understand why the site is doing this now instead of doing all of this months or even years ago. If they had a problem with people writing lemons because it's "violating the rules", why let the deviants have a club for lemon to be post? Why even have lemons on here in the first place if it's considered to be "pornographic literature"? This whole thing doesn't make any sense at all.
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Like I've said before, it's because no one has decided to report them until now. When something is reported as pornographic, it doesn't go through a living breathing moderator. It goes through a machine. That machine automatically takes down a deviation. I doubt dA has a machine that's smart enough to take down a group by itself. Chance are, dA's staff doesn't know lemon groups exist, but the people sending the letters are probably going to notify them.
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