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Journal Entry: Thu Nov 8, 2012, 6:09 PM


Like many of the journals have stated, there has been a domino effect of lemons being taken down. The furthest I remember was when it started with the entries of xCreativePoppet's shower lemon contest. At first it was only the winners and honorable mentions that were reported. Soon, after posting journals pointing out that there was someone who might have been a sore loser, more lemons started to get reported.

There's been some suspicions as to whether or not ev0net was the one behind it, but it's not. Don't bash the person for the lemons. That user is reporting those who post things without permission such as preview pictures or motivational posters. As that person specified in addition to dA's own policies, crediting does not mean getting permission. Lots of people don't even credit the artist so I can understand where that person is coming from. That user even said he/she doesn't report lemons.

I don't know who the person is, but I still feel that it has a strong connection to xCreativePoppet's contest. That's when I remember seeing the reports coming up.

This is important:
As of the time this journal is being submitted, has anyone recently had a lemon reported before one day and 8 hours ago?

Because that's when mine was taken down.

An hour after my lemon was taken down, I posted a journal saying it was suspicious that it only happened to the winners and honorable mentions of the contest. Three hours later, xCreativePoppet posted a journal proposing an investigation. Then, came the domino effect of even more lemons being taken down a little while after she posted the journal. More journals came.

Looking at the users who have gotten their lemons taken down, I'm coming to the conclusion that someone is trying to cover up his/her trail since this person seems to only be attacking Hetalia lemons. Since that person has already been suspected of being connected to xCreativePoppet's contest, he/she is trying to look less-suspicious by reporting lemons not related to the contest but still in connection to the Hetalia fanbase.

A good graphic example can be found in Chapter 53 of Detective Conan: www.mangapark.com/manga/Detect…

I apologize if the link is filled with viruses. >.< I wouldn't know since I have a virus-proof computer.

Either that's the case, or that person is upset with the violations of dA policies. But no matter how I look at it, it seems all too suspicious that the reports would suddenly come now when lemons have been around for much longer.

There's another possibility that this person does not like a particular group of writers on the Hetalia fanbase and is attacking them while picking off some others to look less-suspicious, but that makes it even more suspicious.

dA specifically states that submission of graphic pornographic literature is prohibited so in a sense, that is our faults, but considering these reports have only been popping up recently is fishy to me. I would at least like to know this reporter's motivations behind reporting the lemons like this and in such a blatant and obvious way. I'm very upset about this. I hope the reporter confesses and offers the community an apology. I and the select unfortunate writers worked hard on our submissions. It's a shame that so many have been taken down just because of a simple inability to cope with a loss.

~❦~
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Silverdeath-Succubus Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I understand Ev0net's point on copyright, I just want to know who is attacking the Hetalia lemons so I can fucking give them a peice of my mind!
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sonicluver101 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
IttyBittyTidbits pretty much summed up my feelings, in a sense ^^;

I'm sure there's a site you can find to post your lemons on. But that shouldn't stop you from writing and showing your other work and keeping it on here ^^
And if you have a lemon part for a story, or just one in general, then you can always link to it from this page. I don't think that's against the rules, since it's not /actually/ on the site ^__^

But I understand your frusteration if the person is being a coward and reporting to be a sore loser, then covering up their tracks. It's a difference if they're doing it because it violates the code or if they lost the contest.
But if they're reading all of these journals and reasonings, I'm sure if discovered and approached (and actually did report because they lost the contest) they'd most likely try and worm around the 'sore loser' accusation and claim they did it because of going against DA's rules. So either way, I hate to say but it may be a lose-lose situation. Unless you just want the satisfaction of knowing who it was. Then i suppose you could say you won in a sense.
Either way, I hope you and the other writers get the peace of mind you deserve and don't have to worry anymore about more of your work getting reported. And I really don't want you to have to move accounts or leave DA because of this. We all really enjoy your work, writing AND art, and even just hearing about things going on in your life (like your chickens : D ) that you share with us.
And something like this may be aggrivating, but i certainly hope it wouldn't make you want to leave the site >o<
So like i said before.. I hope you can find a site to post your lemons and other works like that on, and perhaps can just link it back to everyone on here ^_^ And I also hope the person reporting has a justifyable reason for doing so and isn't just being a cowardly sore loser. ;

Also, I didn't know you read Detective Conan! I remember that case, too! Love that series >v<~
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
As far as I can tell, the only submissions that have been getting taken down were either lemons like mine or submissions with stolen artwork. I don't mind the stories getting removed for stolen artwork. I've always had a problem with that. So all of those things aside, I think I'm pretty much safe. I'll eventually find a site where I can post the things if the situation really called for it.

There's a lot of things you don't know about me. :ninja: Yes, I read Detective Conan. It's full of ways to (almost) getting away with the perfect alibi.
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sonicluver101 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Alright. ^_^ But it is understandable if someone took down ones with stolen artwork. A lot of stories, not even just lemons, do that ;

Pfff. Well yes, I would assume so x3
You got me in the mood to want to go read it again. Problem is i have no idea where i left off. Bahh e~e;
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HeartOfFireSoulOfIce Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
We think alike. I was thinking the same thing. Or maybe it was one person who had something against one of the winners/contestants, and decided it was a good idea to use the contest to do this?
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Perhaps, but at this point, it doesn't look like the reporter's going to come out and say he/she did it so we may never know.
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HeartOfFireSoulOfIce Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
True... I wish there was a way you could hack into the system and find it. I know quite a few people who can hack stuff for me.
One thing I don't think the reporter is, is that he's stupid enough to NOT report his. If he's clever enough to set this all out, for all we know, he could have had an accomplice. He could have told the accomplice to report his deviation to draw attention away from himself.
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
That's another possibility. Honestly, I'm just sick of this crap that's been happening. I don't care anymore. I won those contests fair and square, and I've received (most of) the prizes. It really shouldn't matter what happens up to this point.
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TheLemonAlchemist Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I have to ask...Does anyone else suddenly feel like L trying to catch Kira?
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sonicluver101 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I wish there were 'likes' or 'thumbs up' on DA, because i would give your comment all of the thumbs ups |'D
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TheLemonAlchemist Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
XD! Thank you very much, I swear I just feel like L or Near on the case XD
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sonicluver101 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Go, LemonAlchemist! Find the Kira of this case! >:U
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TheLemonAlchemist Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I will! :iconsaluteplz:
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't want justice brought on the reporter. I just want an apology. I would understand if the person's intentions were to follow dA's policies, but if that were the case, then the lemons would have been taken down a long time ago.
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TheLemonAlchemist Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
This is true, I think it is just a case of a sore looser
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IttyBittyTidbits Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
My dear, not to bash or anything, but you yourself realize that those submissions were violations. When you posted them, you technically accepted the fact that the day might come when they get reported and taken down. Just because lemon writing has subsisted for so long (and gone unreported) doesn't negate the fact of their content being violative of dA rules. Now, I understand that you're upset, but whatever the motivations of the person who reported them, noble or otherwise, is immaterial. DA considers lemons violations. And as much as there are people who enjoy them, myself included, we have to respect the fact that we do not run this site.

My personal advice would be to take this in stride and, if you can still dig them up, to try to post your lemons on other sites that allow such content. Bemoaning the state of things won't change anything and will only make you more upset. I'm sure you can instead write a journal informing your watchers where you post your lemons so that regular readers (and also readers outside dA) can enjoy them. I hope you feel better soon. :)
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, I knew that from the moment I submitted my very first lemon nearly four months ago. I knew that it could have been taken down, and the original lemons that I wrote weren't significant to the plots of my stories. Other than that, I never write lemons unless they're for contests, requested, or commissioned.

I still find it irritating that the reports came in during a time window that most likely led to the contest. There are too many coincidences leading up to my assumption. In all seriousness, the person could have reported stolen preview pictures or demotivational posters, but that person only targeted lemons that were at first connected to the contest. That I have a problem with.

I just want an apology. I want that person to realize that it isn't right to take such immature action. It's like a child not winning a diorama award and smashing up all of the winners' dioramas. Sure, it's a poor example, but that's practically what this was. The reporter obviously can't physically destroy the stories so he/she took the advantage of the winning submissions being lemons and reported them to spite them. I accept the fact that my submissions were taken down because of violations. I can't accept the fact that they were taken down because someone most likely had to be a sore loser about not winning.
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IttyBittyTidbits Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Unfortunately, there are people in this world we cannot fix. It's difficult, I know, but just let it go. That person isn't worth getting wrinkles over! xD In the end, you will be the mature person. It doesn't do you any good to try to make sense of a wrong by using a wrong. Both you and the reporter erred. Just let it go, darling. You'll do yourself a favour. :)
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I can let it go, but that doesn't mean I won't forget this. I'm not mature enough to drop it just like that, but I'm composed enough to where I won't go writing the person hate mail or bashing him/her just for reporting the lemons. I just want a simple apology.
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IttyBittyTidbits Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
At the very least, I can say that if that certain person is, as you claim, immature enough to attack contest winners, he/she is not going to be tendering anybody an apology anytime soon. :/

Good luck on whatever you plan to do.
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
*Sigh* You're probably right. I should just grow up and tell myself that I am most definitely better than that person. I did win second place in that contest and first place in another lemon contest, after all.

Thank you.
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IttyBittyTidbits Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That's the spirit! ^0^ I'm sure you can find other sites to post your lemons in. ^__^
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SayuriChou Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
A lot of people think it's: [link]

Sign a petition here: [link]
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Did you not read the second paragraph of my journal? That person only reports stolen artwork or artwork that was used without permission. I understand where that person is coming from. That user even specifically said he/she doesn't report lemons. If he/she did, it's because they had artwork that didn't belong to them.

I already signed the petition.
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neko-neko-nyan Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012
i dont read, nor do i write or like lemons, but someones work being reported for who the hell knows why gets me mad >:( I mean seriosly, this idiot has to stop this.

And we can also take into consideration that this isnt just one person, but two or a group, doesn't it take more than one report, correct me if I'm wrong...

Anyway, we need to find the person/ people who are doing this...
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It might just be a group reporting, but I can't be too sure. I just want the person to apologize for being such a sour puss. I didn't want all of this to happen.
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neko-neko-nyan Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012
yes, but is sad that they probly wont...
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, I've been realizing it. I'm just going to tell myself that I'm better than him/her/them because it's more than true.
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GeneralCuppinCakes Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012
I'd say if they're going to take down lemons which are usually at least somewhat tasteful, they should take down all the naked pictures from DA as well. I find it more disgusting to see someone's poorly lit genitals than to read a lemon.
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
In my honest opinion, the ones I wrote weren't just pornographic content. They actually had plots. I agree that it doesn't make sense that literature that doesn't have any visual images of pornographic content can be removed, but pictures of naked women can be given Daily Deviations.
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GeneralCuppinCakes Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012
My point exactly. I'm tired of seeing pictures of people with their tits hanging out getting on the Daily Deviations just because they get filled with comments like, "mm tasty," or, "I'd tap that." What's the difference between putting a naked body up on the screen and writing about it?

If anything, words are more tasteful.
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Words certainly leave more to the imagination. They challenge the imagination, too. That's something a picture could never accomplish on its own.
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GeneralCuppinCakes Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012
Couldn't have said it better myself. C:
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1CursedAngel Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012
I'd actually like to know what's going on. I've never posted (but have read quite a few) a lemon before, nor was I there for the contest in mention. All I know is that all of a sudden, my inbox from #Lemontalia started getting flooded with journals like this complaining about someone removing/reporting/blocking their lemons. One had a link to an accused reporter. I went to said person's page, and saw that it was flooded with posts involving accusations of the lemon-removing. He/She simply said that they did report, but because that the preview picture was not theirs. Will someone please give me the story on what EXACTLY has happened? I'd like to know.

-Miakis-
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, there was a lemon contest that was hosted nearly three months ago in late July. It took the hostess two months to post the results on October 27th.

On November 7th, all of the winner's entries were removed in violation to dA's pornographic literature policies. There were also a few of the honorable mentions that were taken down. At first I thought it was someone going around taking down every lemon he/she could find, but I saw that it was extremely suspicious that only the ones who were winner and honorable mentions had their lemons taken down. Lemons have been around much longer than the contest. The contest was held in July. The lemons were reported in less than two weeks after the contest results were announced. Isn't that a little too much to be a coincidence? Plus a whole string of lemons have been getting removed just recently.

Then, an hour later, I posted a journal about how I thought it was strange that such a thing was going on and that perhaps the one who was reporting the lemons was upset about not winning and decided to feel better by taken down the winners with her. Then, I contacted the hostess of the contest, and she posted a journal three hours later asking the reporter to apologize and that the reporter was highly suspected of being involved in her contest.

That's where the trouble started.

I believe that to cover up his/her trail, the reporter decided to look less suspicious by reporting the other entries in the hostess' contest and then other lemons by popular Hetalia fan-fiction writers to look like he/she wasn't just targeting the lemons of the contest. That was a mistake. Now a big portion of the fanbase is upset.

A common reporter noted in the second paragraph of my journal is being sent hate-comments because people think he/she is the culprit. He/she isn't, though. It's sad. That user only reports stolen pictures/artwork and artwork used without permission. If he/she reported lemons, it was because those lemons had a preview picture that didn't belong to the writer. For the writers, that was a double-ding.

I just wanted the person to apologize. I didn't want this to explode into some sort of intolerance. I can accept the fact that my lemons were taken down because they violated dA's policies. What I can't accept is that the reporter most likely reported the lemons because he/she didn't win. And now it's turned into this kind of mess.

I hope that clears up what's been going on just a bit.
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1CursedAngel Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012
Thank you so much. I really was confused on what happened, and I was actually planning on posting a lemon or two of mine on here... I'm probably not going to now... don't want them taken down.
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Ink--Rainbow Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Gawd.... enter to win and learn to lose, people! geez this is getting so annoying.... so many false reporters reporting good art from good artists.
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luna-the-puppy Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree with your reasoning and while yes some authors did violate the rules of DA...I do feel this is over the top and its really pissing me off....mostly because the person is targeting people...like DA admins...do you guys not notice a paterrn in the reports? just ugghhhh I hate this...I hate how Hetalia fans get hit with every kind of bull shit(oh yes tons of other fan bases get spammed with shit like this too I know they do but really this is just rediculas)......... I mean isn't the mature content filter there for a reason?
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ExSakura-Lit Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I do think that there's a person or group going around and reporting us to the moderators. Everyone's right: it's fishy that this is all happening all at once and so recently.
What pisses me off more is that most deviations that don't comply with that rule are allowed to stay up on the site, but moderators are just complying to the demands of bitchy snitches.
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AmestrisBlog Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Idiots! I enjoy the lemons
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josie1130 Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Also, even though it's against dA policy, when they prohibit that kind of writting, I can only thing of 50 Shades of Grey, which is sold to the PUBLIC. IN BOOK STORES. NOT GAS STATIONS.

so...yeah...don't actually think they can take these down like that....
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
True, but Fifty Shades of Grey wasn't published on dA. There aren't any rules about society in of itself saying you can't publish an erotic novel. dA has its own set of rules, and I and the rest of the writers violated them.
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embercoral Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
50 Shades of Grey started out as a Twilight fanfic. It may very well have been posted to dA or FanFiction.net before it got turned into the abomination that it is now!
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AshenhartKrie Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
ASDFGHJKKL DID I JUST READ THAT RIGHT?
wooooah.....
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embercoral Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:iconsadnodplz: It was originally titled Master of the Universe and had Edward and Bella and all that crap...

I still don't get how it outsold the entire Harry Potter series in the UK!
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AshenhartKrie Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
That's disgusting. *shudders*
Probably cos it's sex, and sex sells.
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embercoral Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Are persons really that desperate for sex? What, is the Internet just not good enough anymore?
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AshenhartKrie Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Who knows.
But it's bad enough when a friends english teacher tells the whole class that she's read all three books and they're disgusting.
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GydroZMaa Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
*Shrugs* Point is, it was submitted for publication and it was published. If a lemon got published (somehow) then it bypasses dA policies because it becomes a legitimate product of the real-world market--not something that's lurking around the dark corners of a website intentionally made for art. I mean, don't get me wrong, some of the lemons can be considered art, but I initially found dA because I wanted to see art, not some explicit pornographic literature. So I can see where dA's admins are coming from.
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embercoral Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, the only lemon reader insert I put up here was based on my own personal experience (I just replaced myself with the reader and my boyfriend with Russia), so that's kinda autobiographical, in a sense...that has to count for something, right?

I still don't understand how something as hokey as 50 SoG surpassed the entire Harry Potter series as the #1 best seller in the UK! Are persons really that desperate for whatever can meagerly satisfy their sex cravings?
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